Web Publishing with Students

Michael Gwyther>>heres trouble...

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Willie Howell>>Hi everyone..don't be nasty Michael..I'm really Jan

Michael Gwyther>>should this be the subject of the session Jan ;-)

Robin Kenrick>>hi everyone. I'm really avril

Michael Gwyther>>*laughs!

Michael Gwyther>>look its really Michelle here

Katrina Sommers>>good afternoon, and i'm God : - )

David Butler>>Is this virtual schizophrenia or what??

Michael Gwyther>>proof will be in the pudding Katrina...;-)

Willie Howell>>It is crazy here coz we also have an intro comp course happening in the same room...but they think we're really clever!

Michael Gwyther>>aha the Burnley crew

Robin Kenrick>>can't fool everyone

Willie Howell>>Yep

Michael Gwyther>>just yell FIRE if you want a quiet room

Willie Howell>>Where are our students??

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Willie Howell>>Margarita, Sandro, Craig, Chris -where are you?

Lynne Matheson>>GREETINGS all!

Katrina Sommers>>u r not trying to tempt god are u michael?

Michael Gwyther>>Hell No!!

Michael Gwyther>>hello Lynne

Robin Kenrick>>hi Lynne

Michael Gwyther>>I warned you about letting the students log on from the Swan Hotel

Willie Howell>>Willie, Margarita, Sandro, Craig, Chris (under the name of Kewstu1 are having problems logging on

Michael Gwyther>>are you at Richmond?

Margaret Hanrahan>>hello Lynne

Michael Gwyther>>Rowena seems to let you on ok, try that machine if lab probs

Avril Blay>>I've been Robin ever since I started worjking at KNH

Michael Gwyther>>I knew we should have brought in the id card

Robin Kenrick>>;)

Willie Howell>>this is like cross dressing I'm Willie not Jan (i think)

Michael Gwyther>>send us a hair in the mail and we'll let our forensic boys here decide...

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Michael Gwyther>>Okay...lets start.....

David Butler>>Identity crises abound here

Michael Gwyther>>WELCOME to our afternoon session...

Robin Kenrick>>the medicatio n is coming soon

Michael Gwyther>>WEB PUBLISHING WITH STUDENTS....

Lynne Matheson>>What the.......!

Kew Neighbourhood--House--Student--3>>OK Willie and Co are here

Michael Gwyther>>with the madcap, side splitting mob from KEW NH and CARRINGBUSH Adult Ed

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Michael Gwyther>>Please note, we are recording this session...

Michael Gwyther>>OVER TO WHATEVER PERSONA IS OCCUPYING THE KEW AND CARRINGBUSH LOG INS HERE...;-)

Kew Neighbourhood--House--Student--3>>If it's confusing Willie is now Willie and I'm here with students

Michael Gwyther>>clear as mud...

David Butler>>or mad as a moo!

Willie Howell>>i have got 3 very special guests Sandro, Craig and Margarita (the 3 stooges)

Robin Kenrick>>welcome

Michael Gwyther>>greetings to the guests..

Sandip Rattan>>Thanks Michael

Margaret Hanrahan>>I am presenting this session. I work at Kew Neighbourhood House and also Holden St Neighbourhood House. At both these places I have taught esl students who were very reluctant computer uses. Most of them are elderly. I have also taugh

at a TAFE with more computer literate students. I have never worked with hight level students or students who are very computer literate.

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Margaret Hanrahan>>I thougth we could start by looking at why onw would do publishing with students....

Margaret Hanrahan>>Could you look at the link for a few moments

Michael Gwyther>>:nods

Margaret Hanrahan>>Just click on the okay

Margaret Hanrahan>>did you get the window with the link?

Robin Kenrick>>yes

Margaret Hanrahan>>Could you nod

David Butler>>Yup ..nods

Katrina Sommers>>nods

Lynne Matheson>>nod

Robin Kenrick>>nods

Margaret Hanrahan>>Once you have read it could you comment or give ideas os your own?

Michael Gwyther>>Marg, to allow us to open the url can you include the http://, otherwise wont open

Kew Neighbourhood--House--Student--3>>willie has just got lost but he is trying to get back . Bea with him

Margaret Hanrahan>>thanks Michael

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Katrina Sommers>>opens fine for me?

Kew Neighbourhood--House--Student--3>>Avril and Jan and students are all having tech problems

Michael Gwyther>>oh..good

Willie Howell>>Hello We're Jan and willie from Carringbush Adult Education -we're based in Richmond .For those of you who don't knoewit's an inner city suburb of Melbourne.We're going to take you through a few of the highs and lows of doing student we

pages.

David Butler>>I've used Composer for one of my sts at Box Hill Tafe

Willie Howell>>Tutors in these classes have been using a simple program to create web pages for individual or group projects. We would like to say that we aren't the most technical people so we may have a bit of trouble answering the "how do you" type

questions but for anyone out there who might have similar types of students- this could be good for you.

Margaret Hanrahan>>:David could you say why you decided to do it

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Margaret Hanrahan>>...in other words why would you do it when it can be overwhelming for some students

David Butler>>..maily because Word as HTML is top heavy

Lynne Matheson>>Do you feel that there is undue pressure to incorporate web activities into all adult education classes?

David Butler>>..but I'd still use the latter for other sts resumes in Word

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Margaret Hanrahan>>I was meaning one step further back David, why even make web pages?

David Butler>>I think more encouragement is needed rather than pressure

Michael Gwyther>>good question Lynne, where do you think that pressure comes from

David Butler>>This student was keen margaret

Margaret Hanrahan>>Lynne, I have found that the enthusiasm for making them comes for from above and the funding people than from the students. What is other people experience.

David Butler>>So many sts may not be literate, but still very computer literate

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Robin Kenrick>>it definitely demystifies the tech

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David Butler>>Teachers seem to resist, students are chafing at the bit

Michael Gwyther>>is the publishing side of it a very real quality not often available in f2f

Robin Kenrick>>I agree. It is how it is presented.

David Butler>>..speaking generallytho

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Lynne Matheson>>THe purpose of creating web pages is very important to establish so that it is not just the novelty factor driving the task

Robin Kenrick>>agree. It is like any other literacy activity- it needs to be meaningful

Katrina Sommers>>i think any other activity robin, not just in literacy environment

Robin Kenrick>>of course

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Robin Kenrick>>I've just had a call from margaret

Robin Kenrick>>They have crashed

Robin Kenrick>>Michael can you send the link to the web pages

Michael Gwyther>>thats okay, keep us going...

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Willie Howell>>hello

Willie Howell>>I am margaret hanrahna

Avril Blay>>Hi I think were back -willie do you want to start again?

Willie Howell>>This is yet another example or the need to be flexible and go with the fow

Michael Gwyther>>hang on..will see if can find...

Willie Howell>>Could people talk about what they have actually done in web publishing....

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David Butler>>Sorry I was cut off

Margaret Hanrahan>>this web page is an example of simple web publisheing

Willie Howell>>this is Jan I'm actually willie-this is like musical chairs

Margaret Hanrahan>>where i did most of it but the students composed

Willie Howell>>David,All the students involved at Carringbush are quite low level as far as their skills go. Most of them would have little to no experience in computers.

Willie Howell>>At best they have had a go and in a few cases said they were down right uninterested.If you have a look at our first web page Port Fairy -this was a great intro for these students to see how much fun it could be

David Butler>>Understood Jan/Willie, but ours caught on quickly

Michael Gwyther>>what was your approach David?

David Butler>>..once they saw some awesome sites

Margaret Hanrahan>>this link is to sites that the students did using word but they had lots of help from me.

Avril Blay>>Can the Carringbush people explain how much help the students needed?

Avril Blay>>The Prt Fairy pages look great

Margaret Hanrahan>>Were other students overwhemled but great sites....

David Butler>>I made it very graphical and appealed to their creative instincts Michael

Margaret Hanrahan>>or like mine were they amazed by how 'clever' they were because they had not seen many sites before?

Willie Howell>> Yes Margaret and Avril,NETSCAPE COMPOSER is really quite easy to use but some of our students did require alot of support but ccould really involve themselves with the design , colour and the pictures they would choose

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Willie Howell>>The Port Fairy trip was fantastic! The journey and resulting web page provides wonderful memories for all of us...and yes the country was dirty and disgusting for Sandro (If you haven't seen seen Sandro's web page look on the Carringbus

web Page.) We were really proud of them because they funded it themselves thru a Skillsnet mailout.Sandro, Margarita what do you reckon was the best part of the trip?

Michael Gwyther>>did you publish it David?

Margaret Hanrahan>>I ususally have my students working 2 to a computer. what other methods do you use to afford how difficult it can be at times

Kew Neighbourhood--House--Student--2>>Sanro says it was the best thing he did year 2000

David Butler>>Not yet, we're not allowed..

David Butler>>..but I pointed my stude to a nearby ISP

Michael Gwyther>>tafe non publishing policy??

Kew Neighbourhood--House--Student--2>>Margarita says The best thing was Sandro eating icecream in the toilet and his friend the cows

David Butler>>Something like that

David Butler>>Eating the cows??

Margaret Hanrahan>>Is it necessary to actually upload the work or do you think it can be just as good to just put it on the server

Kew Neighbourhood--House--Student--2>>My name is sandro I missed the D

Michael Gwyther>>Did you get out to the Lighthouse?

Willie Howell>>Ha

Michael Gwyther>>I guess even copying it onto others disk works just as well

David Butler>>Is there a showcase site for sts work out there?

Avril Blay>>Where dod you think you will go next with web publishing? More of the same or something else, Margaret and or Willie /Jan

David Butler>>Maybe we should create one

Kew Neighbourhood--House--Student--2>>No we didn't We just went on a boat with adog named Stinky which is my worst name just to say

Margaret Hanrahan>>Avril, I would think more of the same, publishing excursions etc as we do more things, but my students are fairly reluctant

Margaret Hanrahan>>IAvril, with my Holden st students I kept making links to new sites as we did more work

Michael Gwyther>>I have seen that Boat in my time down there...

Willie Howell>>Margaret , most of our work has been done with MID students it is very labour intensive ,but our skills (and the students improve as we go). I we can continue improving the system but I think we are still learning about the gliches that

ccur with COMPOSER

David Butler>>I need to go. Thanks everyone

Margaret Hanrahan>>I found the least problems was when I used simple HTML but it was very labour intensive from my view

Margaret Hanrahan>>Bye David

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Willie Howell>>If you change the original format around too much things start jumping around and it becomes very frustrating

Robin Kenrick>>Lyn, You have had a lot of sucesss with powerpoint and low level students. Is this and easier method thatn web design?

Margaret Hanrahan>>I have found keeping it as simple as possble worked the best,

Margaret Hanrahan>>The main advantage of webpage making over powerpoint is perhaps the links to other sites can help students understand about links.

Willie Howell>>We have found that the webpage needs to be planned in advance on paper and then created..too much handling and gliches seem to occur

Robin Kenrick>>good suggestion.

Margaret Hanrahan>>Alos Robyn, if they are already using Word then they do not feel they have to learn something new

Margaret Hanrahan>>jan/Willie, that I think is one of the advantages of using Word, as the planning is very straight forward....

Willie Howell>>Some of our pictures wouldn't load up and we'd have web pages with spaces and little broken icons there.

Avril Blay>>The digital camera has also been crucial - it seems a great flexible tool for all sorts of things.

Willie Howell>>This was aproblem with many of our student pages. When you save a picture the file name has to have NO spaces between words. This applies to both JPEG and GIF files.

Margaret Hanrahan>>I have even given students a format in Word where they only had to type in a word here and there. Like My name is * and they only have to type in their name.

Lynne Matheson>>Continuity is a big issue with my students. The old revolving door syndrome. Also for the ESL class.

Margaret Hanrahan>>Yes, Jan/Willie I have had problems with images especially with uploading them except when I uses basic HTML and cut and pasted in their own writing from notepad

Margaret Hanrahan>>Lynne, what have you done and what have you found worked?

Kew Neighbourhood--House--Student--2>>Craig says Please check my page where we downloaded pics of dolphinns

Willie Howell>>We've tried to do very quick sites (Friday afternoon and Going Batty on the Carringbush site)to help the continuity problem

Avril Blay>>I,ve seen that Craig - it's great!

Margaret Hanrahan>>I have just asked Willie to show us her sites

Willie Howell>>Have a look

Lynne Matheson>>Being able to download images and insert into their own work is a good activity whether you go on to web pagesa as well

Avril Blay>>Going Batty is brilliant! How long did you say it took you?

Robin Kenrick>>I really like the 'going batty' too.

Lynne Matheson>>Are these web sites going to be distributed on some kind of email list as I have not been checking them as we go?

Michael Gwyther>>yes they will go out tonight..compiling a list of conference links for delegates...

Willie Howell>>It took a Thursday morning but I am having probs sending my URL

Margaret Hanrahan>>mine are on the pre reading

Michael Gwyther>>I have Margarets, but if Jan could send the adult.ed ones through

Willie Howell>>I'm trying

Lynne Matheson>>Thanks Michael , Willy, Jan and Margaret. Well done. I'm Back to work. Cheers everyone!

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Robin Kenrick>>Me to. Thanks.

Willie Howell>>I'm very trying

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Margaret Hanrahan>>Bye Lynne, I am even more impresssedd with your session now that I have tried my self

Michael Gwyther>>cheers Lynne

Willie Howell>>Bye Lynne

Margaret Hanrahan>>If you were going to say some bit of advice to people setting out what would you say

Kew Neighbourhood--House--Student--2>>Sandro says I've never lKnowe about URLs but I do about NSW if thats how you spell it

Michael Gwyther>>get a job in a restaurant??

Margaret Hanrahan>>you are susposed to be our inspiration Michael!

Willie Howell>>A great way to start is looking at some of the local webpages that we've created..I reckon a sense of humour is essential

Michael Gwyther>>yes..whoops forgot!

Margaret Hanrahan>>some flexibility as well, Jan/Willie?

Margaret Hanrahan>>as when you drop out as we did today

Margaret Hanrahan>>any last comments?

Willie Howell>>We've had heaps of fun with students bringing in their family photo albums..have a look at Margaritas on our student page. She has to win the cutest baby prize

Michael Gwyther>>I would say...

Michael Gwyther>>do the learning yourself..

Michael Gwyther>>enrol in a course

Avril Blay>>Thanks everyone - this sure can be a tricky medium - but were learning

Margaret Hanrahan>>here, here

Michael Gwyther>>online, and experience what the students are to learn..

Michael Gwyther>>but dont preoccupy yourself what how will I use this with students...

Michael Gwyther>>enjoy yourselves as a student

Willie Howell>>Thanks everyone but I was very disappointed Jan Hanson didn't contribute

Kew Neighbourhood--House--Student--2>>I think Sandro should be arrested for his naked photo shot but he says that he was only a baby at the time

Margaret Hanrahan>>Any comments, Katrina?

Avril Blay>>You need some confidence with the skills before working out how to use them in a class?

Willie Howell>>Yes

Michael Gwyther>>to Student 2 am phoning the vice squad as we speak

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Katrina Sommers>>i'm interested to see these sites as i'm about to do something similar in my learnscope project

Margaret Hanrahan>>though with some students it is good for them to see that we are not the experts too and are learning

Katrina Sommers>>i will let them just use word put it up, even tho i personally would never do that ; - )

Kew Neighbourhood--House--Student--2>>I shouldn't have done it I was stupid but i was only young at the time

Margaret Hanrahan>>Good luck Katrina . My advice would be to keep them extremely simple at first.

Michael Gwyther>>oh agree Marg

Margaret Hanrahan>>Lets wind up now...

Katrina Sommers>>thanks margaret, that's why i'll let them just use word........

Margaret Hanrahan>>and good luck to everyone.

Margaret Hanrahan>>Bye

Avril Blay>>Bye all

Willie Howell>>bye everyone

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Kew Neighbourhood--House--Student--2>>Sandro and his typist are saying goodbye before the cops come

Michael Gwyther>>I'LL POST UP THE LOG FOR YOU NOW..THANKS EVERYONE

Margaret Hanrahan>>Bye Jan/Willie

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Michael Gwyther>>TOO LATE STUDENT2..QUICK GET OUT!!!!!!

Katrina Sommers>>

Margaret Hanrahan>>thanks Michael. Iam now very impressed with the course you have run...

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Margaret Hanrahan>>It is so much harder to run a course online than I expected

Katrina Sommers>>bye all, very interesting session

Michael Gwyther>>thanks Marg but think its harder in this chatroom for sure than moo

Katrina Sommers>>oh margaret, it SURE IS!!!!!!!

Michael Gwyther>>cheers Katrina

Margaret Hanrahan>>lets go. bye

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Michael Gwyther>>bye for now...

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